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		<title>Comment on Does anybody dare break from the cuts mantra? by aneurin</title>
		<link>http://doctordunc.labourhome.org/2010/03/29/does-anybody-dare-break-from-the-cuts-mantra/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>aneurin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what&#039;s the alternative? Tax increases have exactly the same effect on aggregate demand as expenditure cuts, and are just as likely to create unemployment, and keep us in recession or send us back into recession etc etc. The point is that there is a structural deficit that needs to be dealt with and yes, there is a political choice to be made between the extent to which the required fiscal tightening is delivered either by tax increases or by expenditure cuts. The thing is though, the size of the big black hole that needs to be filled is such that you&#039;d need to double the basic rate of income tax to make the numbers add up. If you want to stand on a platform that promises to maintain public expenditure at its current levels and double the basic rate of tax then feel free to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what&#8217;s the alternative? Tax increases have exactly the same effect on aggregate demand as expenditure cuts, and are just as likely to create unemployment, and keep us in recession or send us back into recession etc etc. The point is that there is a structural deficit that needs to be dealt with and yes, there is a political choice to be made between the extent to which the required fiscal tightening is delivered either by tax increases or by expenditure cuts. The thing is though, the size of the big black hole that needs to be filled is such that you&#8217;d need to double the basic rate of income tax to make the numbers add up. If you want to stand on a platform that promises to maintain public expenditure at its current levels and double the basic rate of tax then feel free to do so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does anybody dare break from the cuts mantra? by LesAbbey</title>
		<link>http://doctordunc.labourhome.org/2010/03/29/does-anybody-dare-break-from-the-cuts-mantra/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>LesAbbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cause of the consensus among the major parties is because Labour has forgotten its roots. When socialism becomes a banned word along with other words like equality, the choice of policies is no longer there. 

Some of us believe that capitalism has shown us what&#039;s possible with advances in technology, but can&#039;t take us all the way to world without poverty, hunger and war. As a species we are capable of this you know.

We know we can&#039;t get there tomorrow, but the Labour Party was formed on getting us there in the end. The last three governments will go down in history for moving us in the other direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cause of the consensus among the major parties is because Labour has forgotten its roots. When socialism becomes a banned word along with other words like equality, the choice of policies is no longer there. </p>
<p>Some of us believe that capitalism has shown us what&#8217;s possible with advances in technology, but can&#8217;t take us all the way to world without poverty, hunger and war. As a species we are capable of this you know.</p>
<p>We know we can&#8217;t get there tomorrow, but the Labour Party was formed on getting us there in the end. The last three governments will go down in history for moving us in the other direction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does anybody dare break from the cuts mantra? by doctordunc</title>
		<link>http://doctordunc.labourhome.org/2010/03/29/does-anybody-dare-break-from-the-cuts-mantra/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>doctordunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otley and Treborc - you have got to the nub of the problem I fear.

This was a crisis built on (amongst other things) private debt.  The Tories make a swift link of &#039;logic&#039; between the private debt that caused this and the public debt that got us (and other countries) out of it, but it is a bit of smoke and mirrors really: it draws the eye away from the private debt and games that were played in financial services.  Okay, so tax-payers money was used to get us away from the brink of an even deeper crisis.  I suspect that was inevitable, but how that money was spent and how it should be paid for now is a whole other question.

There was an opportunity to restructure things (for example have genuine nationalisations rather than salvage jobs - nationalisations with the tax payer having controlling interests that could be built on certain principles such as eschewing bad debts, weighing up the human costs of any actions over short-term profiteering, not gambling with other people&#039;s money... that kind of thing).  We missed it.  We now are told that public debt is the big problem.  The scale of the public debt is not in the same ballpark as the private debt before the crisis, but the public debt is something we should be terrified of while all parties seem hell-bent on policies that can return us to the unsustainable levels of private debt that existed before the crisis.  Indeed all the parties seem to want MORE private debt.  People will have to take out bigger student loans; less money and support will be available through government schemes; people can expect less when they retire and expect to retire later...  The cumulative effect is for people to rely more and more on the very financial bodies, banks and private arrangements that brought us to the brink of disaster.

Increasingly it looks like we bailed out the banks and we bailed out global capitalism for the sake of it, not to prevent the human cost of it.  We&#039;ve cushioned the super-rich and working people are asked to pick up the bill.  This is not acceptable.

As for people getting rich off tax: it is a huge sector of the economy and we export it so people can get rich off other countries&#039; tax-payers too: the &#039;free market&#039; in government services is a global scandal which one day will make MP&#039;s expenses seem very small beer indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otley and Treborc &#8211; you have got to the nub of the problem I fear.</p>
<p>This was a crisis built on (amongst other things) private debt.  The Tories make a swift link of &#8216;logic&#8217; between the private debt that caused this and the public debt that got us (and other countries) out of it, but it is a bit of smoke and mirrors really: it draws the eye away from the private debt and games that were played in financial services.  Okay, so tax-payers money was used to get us away from the brink of an even deeper crisis.  I suspect that was inevitable, but how that money was spent and how it should be paid for now is a whole other question.</p>
<p>There was an opportunity to restructure things (for example have genuine nationalisations rather than salvage jobs &#8211; nationalisations with the tax payer having controlling interests that could be built on certain principles such as eschewing bad debts, weighing up the human costs of any actions over short-term profiteering, not gambling with other people&#8217;s money&#8230; that kind of thing).  We missed it.  We now are told that public debt is the big problem.  The scale of the public debt is not in the same ballpark as the private debt before the crisis, but the public debt is something we should be terrified of while all parties seem hell-bent on policies that can return us to the unsustainable levels of private debt that existed before the crisis.  Indeed all the parties seem to want MORE private debt.  People will have to take out bigger student loans; less money and support will be available through government schemes; people can expect less when they retire and expect to retire later&#8230;  The cumulative effect is for people to rely more and more on the very financial bodies, banks and private arrangements that brought us to the brink of disaster.</p>
<p>Increasingly it looks like we bailed out the banks and we bailed out global capitalism for the sake of it, not to prevent the human cost of it.  We&#8217;ve cushioned the super-rich and working people are asked to pick up the bill.  This is not acceptable.</p>
<p>As for people getting rich off tax: it is a huge sector of the economy and we export it so people can get rich off other countries&#8217; tax-payers too: the &#8216;free market&#8217; in government services is a global scandal which one day will make MP&#8217;s expenses seem very small beer indeed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does anybody dare break from the cuts mantra? by Otley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that really interested me about this is how it was the private debt that caused this crisis, and yet the debate now is not &quot;How do we sort out and regulate private debt?&quot; but &quot;How and when do we make deep public sector cuts?&quot;. The real issue of this crisis has dropped off the radar, it&#039;s been swept under the rug by both the media and the mainstream politicians. I can&#039;t help but think it&#039;s deliberate, to try to stifle any sort of debate about the fundamental problems in our system (that many people make a killing from). 

So we massively raise our sovereign debt by bailing out the banks, and this puts us in debt to...private banks. Despicable. It&#039;s hard to escape the idea that a small number of people are getting very very rich by frankly stealing from tax payers all around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that really interested me about this is how it was the private debt that caused this crisis, and yet the debate now is not &#8220;How do we sort out and regulate private debt?&#8221; but &#8220;How and when do we make deep public sector cuts?&#8221;. The real issue of this crisis has dropped off the radar, it&#8217;s been swept under the rug by both the media and the mainstream politicians. I can&#8217;t help but think it&#8217;s deliberate, to try to stifle any sort of debate about the fundamental problems in our system (that many people make a killing from). </p>
<p>So we massively raise our sovereign debt by bailing out the banks, and this puts us in debt to&#8230;private banks. Despicable. It&#8217;s hard to escape the idea that a small number of people are getting very very rich by frankly stealing from tax payers all around the world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does anybody dare break from the cuts mantra? by treborc</title>
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		<dc:creator>treborc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK if we have no cuts and I&#039;ll be happy if we have another way, what is it, it seems labour and the Tories are heading back  to the old global market banking and financial sector making the money for us, perhaps in ten or twenty years the banks will over cook it again, I see brown has to day stated the Post office bank will offer mortgages to people with a 10% interest rate, trying to restart the housing bubble again, so we get little or no council house building but lots and lots of mortgages.

I think the reason why all parties are saying cuts cuts cuts, is simple, they have no idea at all of any other way, and that&#039;s how we got into this mess in the  first place.

Sadly because of the lack of ideas, I think we are heading for massive cuts or massive savings depends on who you believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK if we have no cuts and I&#8217;ll be happy if we have another way, what is it, it seems labour and the Tories are heading back  to the old global market banking and financial sector making the money for us, perhaps in ten or twenty years the banks will over cook it again, I see brown has to day stated the Post office bank will offer mortgages to people with a 10% interest rate, trying to restart the housing bubble again, so we get little or no council house building but lots and lots of mortgages.</p>
<p>I think the reason why all parties are saying cuts cuts cuts, is simple, they have no idea at all of any other way, and that&#8217;s how we got into this mess in the  first place.</p>
<p>Sadly because of the lack of ideas, I think we are heading for massive cuts or massive savings depends on who you believe.</p>
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